POWER11 on the horizon?

[Borley]

If anything I'm most interested in is IBM returning to its core open source design, so that it has a Power 11 processor that's exactly as open as a Power 8 or Power 9, I'm not going to buy Power CPUs. that they are not IBM because their technology is the best ever for their processors and I don't think that any other company, no matter how good, can reach their level and therefore I don't intend to change companies for these microprocessors. IBM creates it and IBM must produce it or have it produced by one of its direct partners to be the best, this at least is my humble opinion and then obviously it is debatable by anyone.

I've learned in life not to get hung up on vendor brands. Especially in the computing space, it's all about the design and how it's implemented.

[tle]

Another post from Phoronix confirming that POWER11 is likely to be debut in 2025. Let's hope it is actually less binary flop than that of POWER10

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.11-Power11-KVM-Nested

[power9mm]

For end consumer/home user adoption, it's really the price that kills it... and maybe perhaps a lack of better marketing but I mean just setting one of these up isnt as simple as building a windows gaming machine so IDK...

[power9mm]

If anything I'm most interested in is IBM returning to its core open source design, so that it has a Power 11 processor that's exactly as open as a Power 8 or Power 9, I'm not going to buy Power CPUs. that they are not IBM because their technology is the best ever for their processors and I don't think that any other company, no matter how good, can reach their level and therefore I don't intend to change companies for these microprocessors. IBM creates it and IBM must produce it or have it produced by one of its direct partners to be the best, this at least is my humble opinion and then obviously it is debatable by anyone.

I've learned in life not to get hung up on vendor brands. Especially in the computing space, it's all about the design and how it's implemented.

I think in this case it's mostly reference to IBMs QC with their foundry etc.. in the 90s my dad had produced tooling for motorola (he owned a machine shop), unsure if they were used for manufacturing POWER cpus but what I do know is the workers at motorola had told him and his constituents that when they switched to chinese produced tooling that the american made tooling had been a lot better... for whatever thats worth.

[Borley]

Only two weeks left of Q4 2024. I'm speculating that things have been pushed back and that's why we have not seen any announcements yet. Unless there is some trade show or twitter activity that I've missed.

[ClassicHasClass]

I haven't seen nor heard anything myself.

[MPC7500]

Introducing IBM Power11 processor

With a planned release in 2025, the next generation IBM Power11 system will have innovations in the processor, system, and stack levels to help enterprises propel digital transformation initiatives for their mission-critical infrastructure

IBM Newsroom, November 13, 2024

The longer the S1 is waiting, the more convinced I am that the S1 is a Power11 derivative.

[ejfluhr]

Video interview with Bill Starke, current chief architect for Power CPUs, here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9S_w_Bj3oo

Interesting points:
   - Power11 is evolutionary from Power10 architecture
   - Core is same POWER ISA version as Power10, will run faster -> presume that means higher frequencies
   - more cores active than Power10
   - future CPU after Power11, neither confirmed nor denied as Power12, will be chiplet architecture similar to AMD because that was deemed better for scaling up to 16-socket computer
   - continued use of OMI memory now and into the future due to performance and RAS benefits

It doesn't look like Power11 will be any different than Power10 as far as open computing goes.

Here's hoping that S1 succeeds...

[ClassicHasClass]

The OMI part, for sure, and we're all hoping we get direct-attach RAM out of S1 (or there is an option for direct-attach RAM). But I hope they got the Synopsys IP out of there too.

[lepidotos]

I can't see Raptor not wanting direct-attach RAM so they can try to maximize their sales of the new gen, I know I'd be less interested in S1 if I had to also buy the memory off them and I imagine most people would be; I kept hearing price as being the reason a lot of people didn't pick up Talos II or Blackbird I and that's with as much standard PC parts as they had. As much as I want to support them, I don't know if I want to support them enough to spend $900 on 32 GB of DDR5 because it's in a different form factor. I know SoSi is supposed to be a different company, but considering Raptor is probably their biggest partner and use case (if I was a company, I don't think I'd trust Solid Silicon based on their website alone), I don't imagine it's not a priority.