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pocock

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Re: Phil Wyett & Debian harassment
« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2025, 10:06:55 am »

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14 domain names

They insulted my family when my father died.  Their ongoing harassment is a violation of privacy because they imposed it on us at a time of grief.

Had they simply apologized and stopped the violation of privacy, I may have simply given them the Swiss trademark for the cost of the registration fee (it cost me $500).

They spent $120,000 on legal fees to avoid all the solutions that involve apologizing.

Whenever somebody mentions the size of the Debian legal expenditures, they make a big panic to have the mailing lists censored.  Is it a coincidence that the forum is not continuously accessible now, could it be some kind of DoS attack now that I mentioned Debian gives money to lawyers but not to the people who do all the other work?
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Re: Phil Wyett & Debian harassment
« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2025, 12:07:46 pm »

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14 domain names

They insulted my family when my father died.  Their ongoing harassment is a violation of privacy because they imposed it on us at a time of grief.


Registering 14 domain names which clearly violated Debian's trademark because they insulted your family when your father died is not bearing witness, it is taking revenge.

How does that reconcile with your faith?

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Re: Phil Wyett & Debian harassment
« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2025, 12:31:14 pm »

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violated Debian's trademark

There are over 2700 domain names containing the Debian trademark

Every real co-author of Debian, everybody with a "legitimate interest", can use the trademark

With 2,700 domain names using the name Debian, why do you have this paranoid obsession with my 14 domain names?

Archive.org (Wayback machine) captured the contents of the Debian.day web site.  "bad faith" would imply that somebody forged the leaked messages.  But the leaked messages are not forgeries: there really was a suicide cluster in Debian and it was hidden in debian-private

The writings of the lawyer are libellous and I have challenged them in a new legal procedure. Therefore, his allegation of "bad faith" is a libel and anybody repeating it risks being sued for libel.

Given the connection to institutional abuse in the Catholic church, the rumor of "bad faith" is a tactical insult and people who created this rumor will face criminal prosecution for harassment and privacy offences.
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Re: Phil Wyett & Debian harassment
« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2025, 01:04:02 pm »

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Every real co-author of Debian, everybody with a "legitimate interest", can use the trademark

Contributing code to the project does not entitle you to using their trademark without an agreement from Debian community.  I have asked you repeatedly what was the language in the contract with Debian that you signed, but you have declined to answer.


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With 2,700 domain names using the name Debian, why do you have this paranoid obsession with my 14 domain names?

Because registering 14 domains that clearly violated Debian's trademark is what you did.

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Given the connection to institutional abuse in the Catholic church, the rumor of "bad faith" is a tactical insult and people who created this rumor will face criminal prosecution for harassment and privacy offences.

I was not asking you about the institutional abuse in the Catholic church.  I was asking, how do you reconcile taking revenge on Debian with your faith?

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Re: Phil Wyett & Debian harassment
« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2025, 01:24:08 pm »

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Contributing code to the project does not entitle you to using their trademark without an agreement from Debian community

Actually, it does

Read the definition of legitimate interest

Read the definition of fair use

Fact check: somebody spent $120,000 on legal fees to have a lawyer ignore decades of unpaid voluntary work and write that 14 out of 2,700 domain names are inconvenient.

Fact check: the Debian Social Contract, point 3, says "we won't hide problems".  (Except for the Debian suicide cluster.)

Remember: the death on our wedding day, Adrian von Bidder-Senn, if it was a suicide, it could be a copy-cat suicide because another Debian Developer, Frans Pop, had sent his suicide note a few months before that.  In other words, the death of Adrian von Bidder-Senn could have been avoided.

A death that can be avoided is a manslaughter.  It is the second most serious crime after murder.  This death, which may be a crime in some jurisdictions, happened on our wedding day.

Manslaughter is such a serious crime.  Is that why somebody spent $120,000 on legal fees to fool you about what is really at stake here?

This is not about domain names.  This is about censoring leaks.  This is about people who spent $120,000 on legal fees to violate the transparency commitment of the Debian social contract.  This is about a death that could have been avoided.

Please go and check on the above facts and contact me privately when you are ready to discuss it in a more mature manner.  Asking me to repeat myself, in such tragic circumstances, is incredibly unreasonable.
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