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Re: Debian 12 status?
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2024, 05:01:21 pm »
It is really important for somebody to raise this topic on the relevant Debian mailing list for ppc64 porting

Given that I did the work to get the 4k discussion started for both Debian and Fedora I would like to raise the topic in the Debian list but some of the non-developing/non-uploading developers are censoring my messages there due to the Debian politics.

It is really sad that so many people are suffering because of the politics in Debian.  It is really bad for people who spent money on the Raptor hardware and it is also really bad for my family, friends, neighbors and many other people who had these political problems forced upon them by the social media set.
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Re: Debian 12 status?
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2024, 12:51:03 pm »
Daniel I was also thinking of taking the problem directly to the Debian forums at this point, can you tell me which are the main forums where I can write and bring the problem? From what I understand the problem is not only for us on Power but also on other architectures they are having problems with Debian 12 on the new Kernels... This problem must be solved once and for all because it is absurd not to be able to use the new Kernels on the latest version of Debian and then on the old Debian instead everything works perfectly it makes no sense... I updated because now on 11 they do nothing anymore and they don't update almost anything anymore and we are left behind. I like Gnome 3.38 better than 3.4X but unfortunately now we have to use this but at least everything works damn it...

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Re: Debian 12 status?
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2024, 02:46:20 pm »
I prefer 64K than 4K. I am using 64K on GnuTrisquel  11 GnuLinux (Libre) v6.11 and all wonderful. I think that PPC deserve 64K. Also it is shame for Debian being friendly with blobs propietary all this is happen because Evil Fedora.
Also i am worried  that pocock it selling all ppc machines. = (
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Re: Debian 12 status?
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2024, 03:27:25 pm »
Daniel I was also thinking of taking the problem directly to the Debian forums at this point, can you tell me which are the main forums where I can write and bring the problem?

Please join the debian-devel mailing list.  That has always been the main place to communicate about issues that span multiple architectures.

From what I understand the problem is not only for us on Power but also on other architectures they are having problems with Debian 12 on the new Kernels... This problem must be solved once and for all because it is absurd not to be able to use the new Kernels on the latest version of Debian and then on the old Debian instead everything works perfectly it makes no sense... I updated because now on 11 they do nothing anymore and they don't update almost anything anymore and we are left behind. I like Gnome 3.38 better than 3.4X but unfortunately now we have to use this but at least everything works damn it...

If you search the Debian Bug Tracking System (BTS) for all the reports about Debian installation failures and Debian upgrade failures you will see that I personally spend time testing the upgrades and installations during the freeze process before every release and I share all my feedback about bugs.

Now that Debian has become so political they reject legitimate bug reports without even looking at them.  Even if a found a zero-day security issue, the political filters would block me reporting that.  One bug report from an experienced developer might avoid problems for another 10,000 anonymous users who don't know how to report bugs.

There have been various reports and surveys in 2024 revealing that young people are not getting involved and the existing developers are getting older

Personally, I feel the Code of Conduct gaslighting is a big factor in that.  When young people go out to the pub on a Saturday night, the last thing they hope to see are their parents, their professors or their boss in the same pub.  Yet when you see some reference to Code of Conduct for a weekend event like FOSDEM, it is not a real weekend any more.  If they want to have people behave like their boss is around all the time, why not move FOSDEM to a weekday so more people can ask their company to pay them for the time we spend there?

When people see lawsuits, they don't always know who is right or wrong but they just go somewhere else.

When people see the press team writing statements to denounce a volunteer, people subconsciously reduce their effort to do testing or reporting bugs during the pre-release freeze.

Therefore, the quality of the software declines and we risk getting into some kind of death spiral where the politics pushes some people away and then the lack of reliability pushes even more people away and it becomes harder and harder to recover.

They are always talking about having a "safe space".  If they push everybody out so it is just 15 or 20 core members of the cabal then I'm sure they will feel safe but they won't have a real distribution any more.
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Re: Debian 12 status?
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2024, 12:33:52 pm »
I did what you told me Daniel, I signed up to the Debian mailing list and after they sent me the acceptance response to the subscription, I immediately sent an email to the address: debian-bugs-rc@lists.debian.org and I exposed there the problem of Kernels that from 6.2.X onwards on 12 do not work. Let's see what they answer me and I hope I wrote in the right place...

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Re: Debian 12 status?
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2024, 04:48:10 pm »

It is really sad that so many people are suffering because of the politics in Debian.  It is really bad for people who spent money on the Raptor hardware and it is also really bad for my family, friends, neighbors and many other people who had these political problems forced upon them by the social media set.

all i know is the installer was broken, i'm sure it still is lol