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vmlinuz

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Trying to overclock, what is raptor-aggressive
« on: November 19, 2021, 04:17:16 pm »
I am trying to get my dual quad-core CPU's up to 4.2 GHz. Thus far I have run the woferclock script to update the module VPD, but how do I load the tables into the PNOR? There is very little or no documentation on how to get the appropriate files into the firmware or how to generate them. The wiki says something about raptor-aggressive but I can't find it in the firmware source. In addition, how can I restore the old module VPD from backup just in case?
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Re: Trying to overclock, what is raptor-aggressive
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2021, 03:32:43 am »
Are you updating the VPD voltage/frequency table, or the WOF boost table, or both?    I'm not sure how it works on Linux, but the general architecture is that the VPD sets the maximum tested voltage/frequency and the WOF boost table defines how to set frequency based on (1) active workload power vs. TDP and (2) # of active cores.   The official boost table is designed to raise freq not beyond the module's AC power spec, and also prevent exceeding the RDP spec for the system VDD VRM (well, a transient spec on top of the RDP "DC" spec).

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Re: Trying to overclock, what is raptor-aggressive
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2021, 04:04:13 am »
Aha, looking farther it seems that they are programming poundv for a voltage uplift of 1.142x over the existing ultraturbo value.
https://git.raptorcs.com/git/vpdtools/plain/woferclock/woferclock_cpu
# Reasonable defaults
# Partly validated on initial silicon
# NOT GUARANTEED, starting point ONLY!
if [[ "$CORE_COUNT" == "4" ]]; then
   NEW_ULTRATURBO_MHZ=4200
   VOLTAGE_MULTIPLIER=1.142
fi
if [[ "$CORE_COUNT" == "8" ]]; then
   NEW_ULTRATURBO_MHZ=4400
   VOLTAGE_MULTIPLIER=1.142

If you can read out your original poundv values, then you know how much "headroom" your parts have to the maximum allowed:
https://git.raptorcs.com/git/vpdtools/plain/woferclock/update_poundv_buckets
># Rated limit plus safety margin
>#max_voltage = 1098
>
># Absolute maximum process limit
># Hardware damage WILL occur above this value!
>max_voltage = 1150

BTW, do you want or need WOF to manage the frequency/thermals, or just playing around and can manage it yourself?   With just the VPD update, perhaps you can disable WOF and manually override frequency via OS controls up to the newly-programmed ultraturbo maximum.   I don't know specifically how to do that, just believe it possible based on what little I know of Linux freq control.

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Re: Trying to overclock, what is raptor-aggressive
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2021, 04:26:22 am »
Ok, now I see that raptor-aggressive mods the CSV version of the WOF boost table to crank up the max frequency to 4.2G or 4.4G.
>#!/bin/bash
>
>cd ../wofdata
>php ../raptor-util/woferclock.php 5 3536 WOF_V7_3_3_SFORZA_4_90_3200_TM.csv.original WOF_V7_3_3_SFORZA_4_90_3200_TM.csv 1.187 4200
>php ../raptor-util/woferclock.php 5 4052 WOF_V7_3_3_SFORZA_8_160_3500_TM.csv.original WOF_V7_3_3_SFORZA_8_160_3500_TM.csv 1.05 4400
>php ../raptor-util/woferclock.php 5 3094 WOF_V7_3_3_SFORZA_18_190_2800_TM.csv.original WOF_V7_3_3_SFORZA_18_190_2800_TM.csv 1.10 4200
>php ../raptor-util/woferclock.php 5 3039 WOF_V7_3_3_SFORZA_22_190_2750_TM.csv.original WOF_V7_3_3_SFORZA_22_190_2750_TM.csv 1.10 4200

I can't find those boost tables in the Raptor git tree; maybe it is somewhere else?   Perhaps on your system already and you can just replace the old with the hacked version?

Maybe some PNOR updater here?  https://git.raptorcs.com/git/pnor/tree/update_image.pl
>if(-e $wof_binary_filename)
>    {
>        $sections{WOFDATA}{in} = "$wof_binary_filename";
>    }




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Re: Trying to overclock, what is raptor-aggressive
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2021, 04:52:22 am »
So it looks like the WOF boost tables are posted here?
https://github.com/open-power/WOF-Tables

Lots of interesting info in this.  Seems like the 4-core target frequency is 3200 and the ultraturbo frequency is 3800.  Last column looks to be the "WOF frequency" according to the header.
Here is the header followed by a single line (of thousands) which seems to represent something about how it decides the target frequency:  (I'm not sure how to fix the column formatting, so readers will have to deconvolve that...)
MOPT   YIELD   PACKAGE   VERSION   SOCKET_POWER   RDP_CAPACITY   CORE_COUNT   PDV_SORT_POWER_TARGET_FREQ   PDV_SORT_POWER_ULTRA_TURBO_FREQ   NEST_FREQ   VRATIO_START   VRATIO_STEP   FRATIO_START   FRATIO_STEP   CORE_CEFF   CORE_CEFF_INDEX   NEST_CEFF   NEST_CEFF_INDEX   ACTIVE_QUADS   VRATIO   VRATIO_INDEX   FRATIO   FRATIO_INDEX   WOF_FREQ
OpenPOWER Raptor   95   Sforza   v7.3.3   90   108   4   3200   3800   1867   0.0409   0.0417   1   0.1   0   0   0.25   0   6   0.0409   0   0.6   4   3800



Still cannot find how they get consumed by the boot process, though.
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Re: Trying to overclock, what is raptor-aggressive
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2021, 08:13:53 pm »
Thank you but this is all gibberish to me, I just want to know how to get it up to 4.2 GHz ultra turbo like the wiki describes, and then how to restore the original settings when I want better performance per watt.
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Re: Trying to overclock, what is raptor-aggressive
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2021, 11:40:35 am »
Well, then sorry, I cannot help.  I would guess this is a pretty technical rabbit hole that likely few people have gone thru; maybe even only Raptor.   I was trying to contribute to the cause, exploring how to make it work by crawling thru all the code from Raptor & IBM in the repos.   It seems that Raptor figured it out, so the path to success is in there, somewhere.

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Re: Trying to overclock, what is raptor-aggressive
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2021, 08:31:52 pm »
I meant no offense, the information you provided was just way more technical than I expected and I was hoping for a simple answer - looks like the "simple answer" isn't supported anymore. 3800 MHz is plenty for now.

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Re: Trying to overclock, what is raptor-aggressive
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2021, 09:34:12 am »
IIRC, you have to change the tables in the OpenBMC source and compile.

It would be interesting to see how high a dual 22-core POWER9 can be clocked with nitrogen cooling 8)

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Re: Trying to overclock, what is raptor-aggressive
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2021, 08:23:05 am »
Does the CPU have any of these settings in it?  Or does the BMC detect the chip and then know how to set it up?

It would be nice to control this on the fly.  Since these computers don't have a "sleep" mode then maybe the next best thing would be to drop the speed/voltage or even turn off cores?


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Re: Trying to overclock, what is raptor-aggressive
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2021, 08:08:47 am »
Is the lack of "sleep" mode something to do with Linux support?    The processor has lots of core power-down mode as indicated by this doc, pp. 7:
   https://www.ibm.com/downloads/cas/6GZMODN3

Seems like it should be possible to use Linux tools to manage frequency.  pp. 15 says: 
>>#Use cpupower tool to query and set frequency
>>Available frequency steps from cpupower will list only the nominal range, but user can select full fre-
>>quency range to set and it will take effect.

>Does the CPU have any of these settings in it?
I believe the CPU contains processor voltage/freq limitation as defined in the VPD poundv, hence why Raptor's code overrides that.
Once that is done, possibly the WOF boost table has to also be over-written to match the VPD values --> I saw that in a comment in one of the scripts.

On top of that, Linux should be able to provide "direction" as to what cores are active and what frequency range to target.  I've played with that a bit on x86 a few years ago so hopefully that also works on POWER9?  I don't have a POWER9 system to play with but here is what I get on my x86 laptop which shows min - max of 800MHz - 3600MHz:
>ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo*
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_max_freq
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_min_freq
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_transition_latency

>cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo*
3600000
800000
0

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Re: Trying to overclock, what is raptor-aggressive
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2021, 08:31:18 am »
Pp. 35 of https://www.ibm.com/downloads/cas/6GZMODN3 indicates this (below).   Maybe "folding" means putting cores to sleep???

  Page 35
Processor Folding in Linux
It is essential to install a daemon package based on the host OS to enable utilization-based processor
folding for Static Power Saver and Idle Power Saver modes:
pseries-energy-1.4.0-1.el7.ppc64.rpm
pseries-energy-1.4.0-1.el6.ppc64.rpm
pseries-energy-1.4.0-1.sles11.ppc64.rpm
Version 5.4 has the necessary user space tools required to enable CPU Folding.4
 
Once this package is installed, the energyd daemon will monitor the system power mode and activate
processor folding when system power mode is set to "Static Power Saver" and deactivate processor
folding in all other modes.  The utilization-based CPU folding daemon will deactivate unused cores and
transition them to low power idle states until the CPU utilization increases and those cores are activated
to run a workload.
 
Utilization-based processor folding can be manually disabled using the following commands:
 
 /etc/init.d/energyd stop #Stop daemon now, activate all cores
 chkconfig energyd off #Do not restart daemon on startup
 
 -or-
 
 rpm -e pseries-energy #un-install the package completely
 
Alternatively, CPU cores can be folded or set to low power idle state in any power mode
manually using the following command line:
 
 echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuN/online #Where N is the
logical CPU number
 
Please note that all active hardware threads of a core needs to be taken off-line using the above
command in order to move the core to a low power idle state.
 
The cores can be activated again with the following command:
 
 echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuN/online #Where N is the
logical CPU number