Author Topic: $15B federal lawsuit vs. Google astroturfing in open source communities  (Read 128 times)

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GiveSendGo, which is known for resisting censorship and supporting controversial legal disputes, hosts a new crowdfunding campaign about social engineering and black money in open source communities, in other words, astroturfing.

Here is the link to share.  Some platforms are censoring it already.  It will only succeed if people use email, DM and other means to share the link.  The greylisting of this particular topic reveals a lot about social control media and the pestering campaigns.

https://www.givesendgo.com/censorship-privacy

The law suit has been filed in the same court hosting Nicolas Maduro. 70,000 internal emails from debian-private and diversity programs have been offered when crowdfunding milestones are reached, even if the case fails. Open source leaders will be subject to depositions about payments they received from the controlling corporations before denouncing various people over the years. Only if the community contributes enough money to fund the lawyers, they are not volunteers.

Click to see the video and campaign details
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Welcome back, Daniel!  I was disappointed when you closed the thread containing our previous conversation.  You left after I pointed out that your lawsuits, of which this is another, have forced Debian to spend a great deal of money, some of which might have been spent on lifejackets and prevented the drowning death of a volunteer at a Debian event.

Just a reminder, you are continuing to use "Debian developer" in your signature in these forums, even though you were stripped of official developer status quite some time ago.  One might feel this is a misrepresentation of your position within the Debian community.

Speaking of which, after our previous conversation wrapped up, I was able to also correspond with Tiago Bortoletto Vaz, who is an actual Debian developer.  He reviewed our correspondence, and besides confirming that Debian has tried to reconcile and mediate with you, he confirmed Debian has also spent a great deal of money defending against your assaults on them.  We were also able to discuss Debian attempting to offer mental health counseling for its community members, although I do not know if there was any follow-through on their part.  They keep having to spend money defending against lawsuits, even some filed in European countries (both of which you lost).

You and I can agree on the harm that Google is doing to open source movements.  In addition to accepting $1 billion from Israel in assisting in identifying "targets," otherwise known as Palestinians, Google subverts projects towards their own goals.  Firefox comes to mind.  Even simple traffic monitoring while using Firefox shows inappropriate traffic being sent to Google while using the browser.  I advise human rights defenders to avoid Mozilla products completely, as they can not be considered safe.

We can also agree on the dangers of censoring free speech, given that people are being executing in the U.S. and elsewhere for exercising their right to free speech.   Saying "Defend the Constitutional prohibitions against illegal search and seizures" gets one labeled a "domestic terrorist" and killed, while the people doing the executions are said to be the actual victims by the authoritarian government.  I am disappointed that the response by the public was different when the gun-packing white male was killed subsequent to the poetry-writing lesbian soccer mom.  You've had some pretty severe criticisms of alternative sexual orientations within the Debian community, as I recall.

Regretfully, many of those being targeted are done so at the hands of people you have defended in your blogs, and we do disagree over "free" vs. "hate" speech.  I am disappointed but not surprised how often the very people spewing hate while claiming free speech shut down free speech in opposition to authoritarian governments as soon as they have obtained the power to do so.  For example, you closed the thread to prevent any further discourse from me, after I brought up your support for authoritarian figures and the clearly unresolved feelings over the death of your father.

But I digress.  Back to your post.  In reviewing the link, I find that it appears to be a front for your campaign, not an actual independent effort.  I suggest readers review Daniel's past posts and campaigns, and consider if you are being misled about why you are being told the truth.

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Welcome back, Daniel!  I was disappointed when you closed the thread containing our previous conversation.

You repeated the same lies multiple times and you have done so again here.  It is not productive for me to correct the same lies twice.

You left after I pointed out that your lawsuits, of which this is another, have forced Debian to spend a great deal of money, some of which might have been spent on lifejackets and prevented the drowning death of a volunteer at a Debian event.

When Chris Lamb attacked my family and I in September 2018, I asked him to meet me in person to discuss his concerns.  He refused to look me in the eye and spent many months writing nasty emails behind my back.  Various people disclosed some of them to me.

If the leader doesn't have time to look people in the eye then he can always resign and let somebody else do the job.

Just a reminder, you are continuing to use "Debian developer" in your signature in these forums, even though you were stripped of official developer status quite some time ago.  One might feel this is a misrepresentation of your position within the Debian community.

Under Copyright law, developers can sell our rights to other parties but nobody can be stripped of their right to recognition.  People making such claims are gaslighting.

Speaking of which, after our previous conversation wrapped up, I was able to also correspond with Tiago Bortoletto Vaz, who is an actual Debian developer.  He reviewed our correspondence, and besides confirming that Debian has tried to reconcile and mediate with you,

If he made such a claim, please ask him to publish the relevant correspondence.  I certainly haven't seen it.

he confirmed Debian has also spent a great deal of money defending against your assaults on them.

Assault is a serious crime.  There was no assault.  I published the original messages when Lamb started this dispute.  There is nothing in there about an assault.

The dead developers indicated they were under pressure from the group culture.  Read their emails.

  We were also able to discuss Debian attempting to offer mental health counseling for its community members, although I do not know if there was any follow-through on their part.

They originally discussed the need for group therapy due to their toxic culture.  They had that discussion shortly after Jens Schmalzinger died and before the Debian suicide cluster was in full swing.  The fact they knew the group needed therapy may increase their culpability in relation to the deaths after the psychiatrist discussion.  See the email I found on debian-private

They keep having to spend money defending against lawsuits, even some filed in European countries (both of which you lost).

I did not lose any lawsuit.  I canceled the trademark and so the lawsuit no longer had a purpose.

You say "both" lawsuits.  There was only one trademark lawsuit.

Remember, most organizations don't start lawsuits against a volunteer after the death of his father.  There is something very vindictive about the Debianists.  I told them they could simply apologize to my family and give me the $1,000 I paid for the trademark registration and that would have been the end of the dispute.  Instead, they chose to spend $120,000 because they wanted to scare everybody to be meek when Google employees are around.

You've had some pretty severe criticisms of alternative sexual orientations within the Debian community, as I recall.

No, that is not true.  In 2016, one of the other GSoC administrators, Nicolas Dandrimont, asked me to consider his partner for an Outreachy internship paid out of Debian funds.

The partner appears to be transgender, which raises very thorny ethical questions about giving money to an impressionable young person exploring their gender.  As money is involved it could be seen as grooming or indoctrination.  Some people would use stronger words to describe the presence of money in such a relationship.  There was a huge power imbalance between Dandrimont and his partner for multiple reasons: age difference, Dandrimont's status as an administrator, Dandrimont's involvement in DebConf travel opportunities/funding, the parallel employment in the CRANS lab. That is not the only problem.  The problem is also the obvious and insurmountable conflict of interest.

However, other transgenders started attacking me and spreading false rumours.  Then all the LGBT relationships were documented so people can see the conflicts of interest.  They attacked my family first and I have a right to defend myself whenever they do so.

Most of us don't care what they do in the bedroom.  When they gang up on straight people that is not fair and they create problems for themselves.

For example, you closed the thread to prevent any further discourse from me, after I brought up your support for authoritarian figures and the clearly unresolved feelings over the death of your father.

You started repeating the same points over and over again.  I posted my response to those points.  I did not delete any of the points you made, I left them intact for people to see your comments and my responses.  But it is pointless to continue a thread when you repeat the same points over and over again.

But I digress.  Back to your post.  In reviewing the link, I find that it appears to be a front for your campaign, not an actual independent effort.  I suggest readers review Daniel's past posts and campaigns, and consider if you are being misled about why you are being told the truth.

In this last comment, you do not give one example of how you think people are misled.  Therefore, it is not possible to engage in further discussion with you on whether I misled people or not.  People can watch the video for themselves.
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