[NEWS] Fedora 42 Beta

[tle]

The final release would be likely in the mid April, now is the time to have a go and report all issues

For more information https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/WE4CEHE6KD77NV6RGFX2SE2FYLP7UGUE/

[DKnoto]

I, unfortunately, said goodbye to the Fedora distribution... I still need X11 and that will not change for a long time. Gnome is getting more and more frustrating from version to version. I went back to simplicity, FreeBSD 14.2 + X11 + Enlightenment 0.27 ;-)

[tle]

I, unfortunately, said goodbye to the Fedora distribution... I still need X11 and that will not change for a long time. Gnome is getting more and more frustrating from version to version. I went back to simplicity, FreeBSD 14.2 + X11 + Enlightenment 0.27 ;-)

Your choice is solid and will last for years. Having said that it's seems to me Wayland will be slowly dethroning X11 whether we like it or not.

I personally have no issue with Wayland because most apps I am using are performing correctly with native Wayland or via XWayland. Simply put I am getting boring as I am getting older. Now all I want is a conventional, productive and boring UX like that of GNOME or KDE.

[ClassicHasClass]

Wayland is fine if you have a GPU. If you don't, it runs everything through llvmpipe. On my 4-core Blackbird with AST graphics it worked fine but the fans never quit running (but when I switched to X11 they throttled back down again).

[lepidotos]

Honestly, for daily use, I don't really have a problem with Wayland. I used to have a lot more of them but it seems like there's been a lot of work done to make it a lot more seamless, but I'm also just a desktop user and any server stuff I do probably won't have a GUI running. I just wish there was something as good as TDE for it, Plasma is fine, just not as full featured and robust ime.

[DKnoto]

At my place Wayland works strangely, and in fact a whole bunch of applications have problems with it, and I don't have the strength to inquire whether it's just the protocol or not. To me, it's just an incomplete product, which instead of bridging the divide between different DEs only exacerbates it by blaming the lack of support for a certain element on some DE or library. The result is that applications written for one DE will not work well on another. Applications with the latest Gtk are already a complete departure, they operate according to the principle of if you're with us it's ok if you're with us and if you're not it's off.

[tle]

At my place Wayland works strangely, and in fact a whole bunch of applications have problems with it, and I don't have the strength to inquire whether it's just the protocol or not. To me, it's just an incomplete product, which instead of bridging the divide between different DEs only exacerbates it by blaming the lack of support for a certain element on some DE or library. The result is that applications written for one DE will not work well on another. Applications with the latest Gtk are already a complete departure, they operate according to the principle of if you're with us it's ok if you're with us and if you're not it's off.

Spot on! Things have changed, we no longer have to mix and match softwares, WMs and DE like we used to. These days you pick one faction and stick with it. To be fair I find myself more productive with such DEs because of consistent UX. It's amazing to see how far Linux desktop has come! Having said that I sometimes miss those old days forever poking into countless of combination of configs and softwares.

[DKnoto]

A consistent UI is what had BeOS 30 years ago, now Haiku.  All written in C++ and completely unrelated to X11. Strangely, no one came up with the idea of porting that ready-made UI to Linux, they just messed around with Gnome and KDE. On Wayland the most suitable for me is Hyprland, unfortunately it is still far from full functionality.

[tle]

A consistent UI is what had BeOS 30 years ago, now Haiku.  All written in C++ and completely unrelated to X11. Strangely, no one came up with the idea of porting that ready-made UI to Linux, they just messed around with Gnome and KDE. On Wayland the most suitable for me is Hyprland, unfortunately it is still far from full functionality.

BeOS is truly a cohesive and unique ecosystem. However it is not fair to say its UX is the most pleasant to use. Big guys like MS and Apple are still trying to figure out the UX as the hardware has advanced at rapid pace introducing new ways of doing interaction. GNOME and KDE will likely play the followers role than leading the industry. It's unfortunate yet understandable...

[DKnoto]

However it is not fair to say its UX is the most pleasant to use.

It depends on habits. For me, at one time it was very convenient. I am not a proponent of implementing by force a UI that is good for a phone on a desktop computer, which the Gnome team is persistently pushing on us.